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LeaderImpact Podcast
LeaderImpact Podcast
Ep. 75 - Jessie & Toshe Temelkov - Leadership in a Unique Cultural Landscape
What if understanding cultural nuances could transform your leadership style? Engage with our enlightening conversation featuring Toshe and Jesse Temelkoff, the dynamic duo behind Leader Impact in North Macedonia. Explore the intriguing intersection of Macedonian culture and leadership, as Toshe—a concert pianist and emotional intelligence expert—reveals how the laid-back nature of Macedonian society shapes its leaders. From the tradition of building relationships over coffee to the lingering influence of socialist leadership, we delve into the complexities of leading in a culture that values loyalty and friendship. This episode promises a captivating look at how cultural context informs leadership styles and decision-making processes.
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Welcome to the Leader Impact Podcast. We are a community of leaders with a network in over 350 cities around the world dedicated to optimizing our personal, professional and spiritual lives to have impact. This show is where we have a chance to listen and engage with leaders who are living this out. We love talking with leaders, so if you have any questions, comments or suggestions to make this show even better, please let us know. The best way to stay connected in Canada is through our newsletter at leaderimpactca or on social at Leader Impact. If you're listening from outside of Canada, check out our website at leaderimpactcom. I'm your host, lisa Peters, and our guests today are Toshe and Jesse Temelkoff.
Speaker 1:Perfect.
Speaker 3:Toshe. Toshe is a concert. Thank you, that was a tough one. Toshe is a concert pianist and has performed broadly across Europe and the US. These days, he combines speaking into his program to complement leader impact events.
Speaker 3:Jesse, originally from the United States, is a writer, an artist, and loves her garden. In 2017, tosie and Jesse founded Leader Impact in North Macedonia and today they serve as strategists on the Global Field Strategies team. Here they represent Europe as regional leaders for Leader Impact Europe. Along with their leadership group, they facilitate the growth and expansion and process across the continent and to support this role, toshay has a seat in the European leaders community of Agape Europe. They consider it a great joy to be part of the developing leaders journey in Macedonia and believe in investing deep in this process and seeing leaders break through barriers, experiencing transformation and incredible impact along the way. Toshay and Jesse have been married for 18 years and her parents to five kids ages 15 down to six, four boys and a girl. They home educate their kids, enjoy mountain skiing and hiking adventures in their beautiful Macedonia. Welcome to the show, tosha and Jesse. It is great to see you.
Speaker 1:Thanks for that great introduction.
Speaker 2:Thank you, lisa, it's great to be with you.
Speaker 1:That's a little too much.
Speaker 3:Well, it's funny, it's not too much, it is fantastic and it is wonderful to meet you. It's sometimes the phonetics I get stuck on. Oh, you did great, thank you and I had to laugh that you said that because I'm like oh, I know I write it phonetically and am I getting it right? So how is the weather in Macedonia?
Speaker 1:It's not the best right now, although we have the mountains, and the mountains have snow, and so we're expecting the ski season to open up. Looking forward to some good skiing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's minus 22 degrees Celsius here and we have no mountains. No, there's no fun.
Speaker 3:It's just cold, yeah. So I am excited to talk with you today Because of the whole global leadership this the world has opened up to, dealing with different countries and dealing with different people, and I think to be an effective global leader or to lead multicultural teams, you have to be ready for the challenges, and it's positive. So I am excited to talk to you about the differences. I think you know you are the people to talk to in Macedonia. So, Toshe, I would love to start with you and just ask you describing the Macedonian culture and how leaders are perceived there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, macedonian culture is very laid back. I did analysis because I'm an expert. We should have added that in our CV, our introduction. I'm an expert in emotional intelligence. I've taught and back in the day I was actually interested in the upgrade which is social intelligence to understand cultures and their background and their history. So I've analyzed our culture a lot and it's phlegmatic. It's very laid back, very calm. We don't want any fights with anyone. We like to be friends, we're very loyal, and so, when it comes to leadership, I go straight to that aspect.
Speaker 1:The leader has to know a lot of people and has to be able to drink a lot of coffees throughout the day, because we're a coffee culture. I don't know about Canada, but you go out in the middle of the day every single day, monday to Friday or Monday to Sunday. All the cafes in downtown Skopje, our capital, are full of people and they're at work. That's where they work, and so, as a leader, you need to know how to navigate that and how to schedule your coffees, how to build relationships and who are you going to meet with? What's your topic going to be, or is it just going to be a laid-back conversation and let them initiate? So, again, as a leader, seeing the things through the people that you lead, through their eyes, and experiencing what they're experiencing, is the best way.
Speaker 1:There's still a little bit of leftover. Even in my experience leading leaders, there's still a lot of leftover of socialism. Now you hear me say socialism, but not communism, because in Macedonia we did not like the word communist or communism. We had a socialist republic back in the day on their tito and we loved that time, and so we still have a little bit of remnants from that style of leadership where you just want the best for everyone and everyone loves you and then eventually people will get tired of you and they will want to kind of replace you for someone else. But not a lot of team leadership, not a lot of shared leadership, not a lot of shared leadership. When someone is up on top, it's interesting how they just want to get as far away as possible from the next level of people that they lead and they have so much decision-making alone, all by themselves, and they don't even discuss it with anyone, and so we still have to deal with that. Again, not ideal, but that's how it is.
Speaker 3:Interesting that you talked about they'll go for coffee Monday to Sunday. Coffee shops are always full. I find that because right now it is 8 o'clock for you at night and it is in the middle of the afternoon, and when I scheduled this my mind was make it best for you, your working hours, but now, listening to you, it's like it's eight o'clock at night for you guys just work. I'd like I would love to have a conversation on balance.
Speaker 1:No problem for us working at night. That's another aspect of our culture. We're very night culture. So when it comes to I'll give an example putting kids to bed, no kids of Macedonian parents go to bed before 10 o'clock, and so they can even push farther, into 11. Even our kids have pushed even farther, but again, the coffees can go late in the night. Right now, downtown is full of people.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, the Canadians are so nice, we want to accommodate yeah it's, it's perfect, it'll work out. Yeah, thank you, jesse. I would like to ask you just you grew up in the United States. Do you see any differences? I mean, I'm seeing and I'm a Canadian, but do you see any differences in what female leadership looks like in the US versus Macedonia?
Speaker 2:Okay. So as I approach, Lisa, this question, I have to frame it a little bit, I have to give a little bit of context. As you can imagine, I have received some form of this question of what are the differences, which often leads to the next question of, well, which is better over the years? And so I tread very honestly, but I also tread with a high dose of honor and respect in the way that I approach this topic of differences. Respect in the way that I approach this topic of differences. I'm almost to the point where I've lived half of my life in the US and half of my life here in North Macedonia, and so I carry just really high respect for both. And what I tend to do, my approach as I observe differences or note differences seeing is a theme. Seeing and noting is a theme for me. But what I really try to do is kind of create this third category of taking the best and seeing the best, finding the best, and create this third category of let me see how I can be influenced by the best of both cultures. And then you know, in our role it goes beyond. But with that framing I can answer.
Speaker 2:I can say that I do see probably a lot of more openness to teamwork and approach in female leadership in the US. Lots of innovation on both sides. Creativity, probably I see a lot of creativity in female leaders that I've observed in the US Servant, servant, heart servant, prepared to just enter in and work hard. And then, on the Macedonian side, some wonderful qualities. I have to say that I don't know. So I you know, you heard, I'm a mom of five. I don't know any other mother who's not a working mom in Macedonia. So these, these women just um, they're very professional, they are prepared, they're ready, they are on top of it. Um, they are prepared, they're ready, they are on top of it and very highly qualified women. So, yeah, I'm getting the best of both worlds and getting to be touched, to have all of that touch me, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's a great and it's a great answer, I think, honoring and respecting both. I mean you're in a position. You are a global leader and I'm sure you know and I want to talk about it later but just there's so many cultures around you and so many different countries, so I appreciate that just honoring, respecting both and highlighting that you're going to make a third, you're going to take the best of everyone. I really love that. Tosha. Back to you, I want to talk a little bit about challenges and strategies. What type of leaders are respected in your culture and how do they compare to the highest calling in leadership, which is serving?
Speaker 1:That's a great question. When it comes to having knowledge in all areas of life, it's very important for for a macedonian leader and to be involved in a lot, of, a lot of activity, very active and, I would say, verbally. Uh, the people that have a way with words, that know how to manage a situation and enter in into some kind of difficult situation and figure out how to control their words and manage those types of troubles, I would say that come are typically respected the most and we, opposing to other cultures, we do not respect a lot of speaking qualities. For example, if someone has this amazing public appearance and they're a great speaker. In the past it's funny we've had several leaders that had a speech impediment and that doesn't bother any of the Macedonians because those leaders have shown qualities in other ways. They don't have to be amazing speakers, they don't have to look great, but they're good with people, they manage that very well.
Speaker 1:But when it comes to servant leadership no-transcript, there is a need here to even be an example of that kind of a leader, to even be an example of that kind of leader, and so Jesse and I really try to be an example, because a lot of times we host a lot of times. We help a lot of times the people that are next level under us. They know everything about our lives we're not. As we walk through challenges, we share. When we're broken, they know, and when we struggle, they also. We ask for their help and all that, and so, yeah, it's a good opportunity for us to do that here.
Speaker 3:So what I'm hearing is the leaders, the higher leaders. They are creating this space.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 3:They don't want to come out of their offices. No-transcript, that's the culture. How is their mental health? Because I know in Leader Impact we come together because it is lonely, we come together because we're in our offices and we want to come together.
Speaker 1:And again. Leader Impact in Macedonia has existed for seven years and we've seen hundreds, hundreds of leaders join and just talk about Leader Impact as their one and only place, where nobody is judging them, Nobody's asking anything from them. This is a time where business can be put aside and we're just you know, talking about life, and so it's good stuff.
Speaker 3:Great. Thank you Toshe, jessie.
Speaker 2:I want to ask you about unique challenges you face as a female leader in Macedonia. Okay, well, lisa, I can outline my greatest challenge pretty easily, and I would name that as being relevant. Actually, and now we go back to the differences topic. I can't get away from being different, even though I've lived almost half of my life here, even just starting from our turning from the point of our family size. Family sizes are pretty small in Macedonia. So when our family walks out the door, we are. So when our family walks out the door, we are.
Speaker 2:We, you know, eyes are on us, and I have a cultural guide, my colleague Anna.
Speaker 2:She has told me along the way that there's kind of this trend, this, maybe it's unspoken, I think it's mostly unspoken, but that you that it's not looked upon well to stand out, I think it's mostly unspoken, but that you that it's it's not looked upon well to stand out, and so, but, like I said, I can't get away from standing out.
Speaker 2:So I have to, you know, filter all these cultural cues, and I, you know, I'm looking, then, at the lens of the, the, the women that I interact with, and I interact with standout women all of the time, and so, then, considering their pathway to filtering through this message of you know, don't stand out, and how they you know how they put all things into perspective. And then for me, putting things into perspective in our line of work, working with Leader Impact, I think okay if the eyes on me means that you know, that first impression of being different and interesting, you know, then gets me to the second meeting and the third meeting and then helps me to get to the place where I think I can be relevant. And the relevance comes when you know I can approach another female leader with curiosity, as a learner, being yeah, just being ready to invest in that relationship. Then this is how I push through my greatest challenge of being relevant.
Speaker 3:You're really breaking a barrier as a leader, because if being different is looked upon, as you know, you don't want to stand out. You have to break that. And I don't want to be any smaller Like I want to sparkle right, like in Canada. I'm a very tall woman, so I walk into a room as well, I stand out, um, but you know five kids. You're already someone's going. Oh, you got five. I'm just gonna say out loud oh, you've got five kids. How could you be a leader? You better stay home, or you know you right, or a woman that is always looking great. Well, you spend way too much time like we're just judging, yeah, so, and maybe I'm wrong, like I just I just hear you saying just, it's not, it's not good and we have to break those barriers yeah.
Speaker 2:So I'm definitely, you know, being one a person who is sensitive to the cultural cues around me, I have sense that it, um, that I again it's all about framing, so so I I've just chosen to embrace it, that if that gets me through the door or that, you know, sets the stage for me to get, to get where I want, then I'm going to look upon it as an opportunity and you know I also like to sparkle.
Speaker 3:You keep sparkling oh thanks. Well, this one comes back to you, jessie. I'm wondering, just talking about our regional leadership, and how do you approach growing, the leader impact movement with members from diverse cultural backgrounds? You have language barriers, you have varied economic status, like it's all around you. How do you approach growing?
Speaker 2:that. Yeah, thank you for the question. Love this one, love all of them. How do you approach growing that? Thanks for the question. Love this one, love all of them.
Speaker 2:So my first kind of encouragement or practice is to stay fascinated. I think I am amazed that we get to be in this position. I'm full of wonder that we get to relate to people of so many different cultures, that we get to rub shoulders, be sharpened, you know, by by each other, that we get to encounter all these people full of passion, that we get to share a common goal and move forward with. I was remembering, I was remembering a conversation that I was having with a colleague from Armenia a couple of years ago and it was over a casual dinner and he was telling me all about his country and it reminded me it took me back 20 years ago of when I first came to Macedonia and I went through I definitely went through a honeymoon stage where I was fascinated by everything, but over time and with challenges, I have realized it's just again. It's all about the lens through which you see things and so, seeing these challenges of um working with many countries from um people with different languages, size, size of their nations, um, uh, and varied economic status. That that um keep coming back to. How I see things is very critical and I did want to kind of give a personal journey type of example.
Speaker 2:When we entered into this role a few years ago, our organization had just gone through a huge reorg, organization had just gone through a huge reorg and um, we at the time had the leading up to that time in our. We were two regions within europe eastern and central europe and western europe and um, we quickly realized that there was a, there were quite um, there were, there was a different culture within our own organization within these two regions. And when we merged and we became All One Europe, which we stepped in and inherited all of Europe, we're the first regional leaders that have all of Europe as our scope for leader impact, all of Europe as our scope for leader impact. And so we came in where we had mostly leader impact in the eastern and central side of Europe was more developed.
Speaker 2:And then coming to the big task of how does eastern and central influence western, more developed countries, influence Western, more developed countries? And you know, we didn't have, we weren't even all branded the same under leader impact. So these were just huge challenges that we needed to face right out of the get-go, and a lot of them we are still tackling today. But a lot of trial and error, a lot of finding the right people to have around us, to partner and really um seeing our people as our greatest asset get you know, um getting to know where their unique gifts are these are all part of that journey yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, we will continue to stay fascinated. We will continue to ask questions. You know, yeah, I love that all right. Thank you, jesse. Uh. To you, toshie. You know, yeah, I love that, all right, thank you, jessie. To you, tosha. You helped start Leader Impact, the movement in your country that grew to the point where you could delegate leadership and entrust the movement to a very successful couple. What have you learned through that process?
Speaker 1:That's a great question. When it comes to how does a leader grow when they're leading and as they're leading, and again, anything that I do, I try to find a topic, something that I can focus on that. I'm not so great at that, I can kind of get better, and so one of those again, I'm Macedonian, kind of get better, and so one of those again, I'm Macedonian, I come from this culture and delegating is not one of those things that comes naturally to me. I would like to do it all by myself, and if someone does it, I don't like it how they've done it and I'll do it again and repeat and correct.
Speaker 1:And so through this process, I actually had several people, so again being surrounded by leaders who have freedom to speak into your life and to remind you of what is good and what is not so great about what you're doing. And so I had several people remind me that delegation is a huge part of leadership and that I'm not doing well in it. And so, when it comes to having people around me, sure, yeah, I'll have a team, I'll have several people, but then again ask them, how much did you have in that decision that you as a team did? Or when you give an idea in the team, stosha kind of shut it down and he takes over and puts his idea. Yeah, a lot of times that was my reality and I admit it was not something that I'm proud of, but eventually I got the courage and I started entrusting a lot of things without having a lot of say in it.
Speaker 1:And the biggest proof actually for that is in Macedonia we still celebrate Christmas on January 7. So we're following this old calendar, the Gregorian calendar, but we as a family we celebrate Christmas both on 25th and December and 7th of January. But our team now that is leading the national ministry and the leader impact in Macedonia. They scheduled a meeting on Christmas Eve, december 24th a huge event and we have to be there. So I didn't have any say in that decision and I'm pretty sure if I was at that meeting I would have said wait a second Christmas Eve. That's not going to work for me. But this is Macedonia. We need to adjust. So that's one of the examples that we've seen this couple, ilya and Anna, just take over and do things the right way, a lot better than me and, would you say us well.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 3:Agreed, you know, agreed. Good for you. It is very hard, but to surround yourself, you know, you talked really about just surrounding yourself with the right people and to begin to trust them, and I think that's what leader impact is, because it is hard and you think you're doing great, it's like you need to. You know, let go of that. Exactly. I did a podcast and I oh, I can't remember and he said, let go, let god, lisa, okay, that's it, thank, yeah, thank you for sharing that, because I don't, I don't think you're alone, so to to say that is is very thank you, um, all right. So, uh, our last question is is a little bit about personal development and training. So to you, you Toshe, you're now leading across many languages and cultures.
Speaker 1:What are the challenges there and what are a local involvement and the people that are close to you. You want to influence them and have an impact in their lives of hundreds of thousands. And when I say that again, I go back to that very, very important lesson that don't do it alone. Don't do it Even. Don't make decisions alone, Don't walk alone. And so, surrounding ourselves, together with this team of people that are super amazing, they're from five different nations and they all have experience leading nationally and some of them even globally. They've been on huge decision-making seats and they see things that they're very direct.
Speaker 1:Actually, just today, I received this long, long email from one of them because he's concerned about an issue that I really don't see. It's kind of like a blind spot for me, but he is really clear that something that we're doing is not going to work. We're organizing this huge event in Berlin and he wants to say, nope, let's not do it. And I was like I was shocked. I was reading that email, I was like he knows what he's saying and he's definitely hitting on a blind spot. That when I said let's do the conference in Berlin, I thought I felt good about it. I thought it was a great idea. I thought it was going to be successful and lots of people would join.
Speaker 1:I thought it was going to be successful and lots of people would join. And he's even thinking that nobody will be excited about this Berlin meeting. And he's giving the examples, the reasons why and he went even in the past of how we've done so many of these things and somebody got really excited about them. And then what? And so he's definitely I have to set up a meeting with him and he's on a good track of finding out how can we do it better this time and what not to do. And so, when it comes to leading people that are from different nations, I for some reason have a little bit of advantage in that, because Macedonia is in this time and place where we have to learn a lot of languages, we have to know a lot of cultures. You drive two hours north, you're in a different country. Two hours east, different country Two hours west, so we're landlocked. And so when it comes to leading people from different cultures, again I have a way to be interesting for them, and I'll give an example that we had an event in Albania and I was giving a speech and I was playing a concert.
Speaker 1:Albanian is not even close to Macedonian. Macedonian is a Slavic language. Albanian, I think, belongs to the Roman Italian type of languages and we have a lot of Albanians in Macedonia. So I've picked it up a long time ago and I had to remind myself. But again, I memorized these three sentences before I started speaking in English. I memorized these three sentences in Albanian and I said and now I invite my translator to come to the stage and translate for me and everybody thought that I was going to continue to speak in Albanian and they just loved it so much. Again, to bridge the barrier between cultures, you just say some things in their language and maybe even learn some phrases along the way to answer or to ask some questions and you're at a different level of trust.
Speaker 1:It's super great.
Speaker 3:I love that. You know and you talked Jesse talked about just continue to be fascinated, continue to ask questions, continue to be part of the learning. I recently was at an event and I sat down with an elder and just started asking him questions and he engaged. Incredible. Just that I had taken the time and I wasn't embarrassed, whereas maybe a couple years ago I just I shouldn't really talk about this. But so thank you, because I think more of us need to just ask. We don't need to lead alone, we need to trust, we need to. We don't need to walk alone. So I appreciate that, jesse, as a mother and a leader, what do we need to inspire and grow the next generation of leaders?
Speaker 2:So I'm thinking back on this question it just was another little tidbit of finding universals. I think is also just a helpful practice, a way to build those bridges. So how can we inspire the next generation? Oh, I think that there's definitely the element of us being our real, authentic selves and finding and discovering, going that road of finding our unique contribution, you know, and living it, living abundantly, living it out fully, stretching ourselves, growing, taking next steps. I think that we honor those coming behind us when we live that way, that we honor those coming behind us when we live that way. Also, the same type of themes of spending time with them being invested I mean intentionally invested in them, not just sharing our knowledge, but coming alongside, you know, celebrating the wins. You know acknowledging the losses or failures. You know the let's get back up and going together as much as you as we can.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, when I look at the people who have inspired me, I think I've been more touched not by their credentials or their list of achievements, but by the interest that they've taken in me and I mean I have repeated that phrase so many times Thank you for taking an interest in me. It just means so much. So I think that's one way. And then I have my personal practice of reading aloud to my kids. So I just think stories are such a way that we can expose whether it's, you know, whatever form, if it's visual form or if it's in written form just to heroic stories and tales of people who've persevered and overcome, and I think any kind of exposure like that is timeless and will serve, you know, serve generations to come. So, yeah, I have lots of favorites that I've shared with our kids that I think have done, have shared with our kids that I think have done, hopefully have done just that preparing them for the trials and the joys and the things that they will need to face in their journey.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that. You know, when you look at a mentor, you look at someone. It's not always the credentials, it's the time they took to share with you. And I love the sharing of the stories because I don't think that's just a children thing. I think as adults we can share stories of great people we've met and the storytelling right it's so impactful so we just take it to the coffee shop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's very applicable for any space.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, I'm going to ask you one final question. I know I said I was done, but I got to ask you. We always talk about legacy on our podcast, so, as leaders, to both of you, if you have one answer or both, but what do you hope your faith legacy to be when you leave this world?
Speaker 1:It's interesting that you put that faith word there. Interesting that you put that faith word there. So I would admit that I've been on this journey for quite a long time now and just asking God to each year give me three disciples that I can focus on. And so in the past it has been sporadic, Some years have been two or three, some years it's been more. But keeping in touch with so many of those people and seeing that list grow and never stop growing and again I have so many people that have come and thanked me for introducing someone to Jesus and then they've introduced someone else to Jesus it's the best response that you can have, or best call that you can have, or best thank you from someone.
Speaker 1:And yeah, I want to keep living that way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because your three grows exponentially right. Your three tells, three tells three.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Cause your three grows exponentially right.
Speaker 3:Three tells three, tell three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Jesse faith legacy I need to answer this, uh, so I've always kind of considered, um, that I've been given a gift of kind of a childlike faith.
Speaker 2:Uh, maybe that's why I got granted so many children, uh, but I, I, I in when I think of my legacy, I think of an atmosphere that hopefully will be passed down through the generations, of just approaching it as an adventure, seeing it as something contagious, really, that is to be shared and passed on, as Tosha was saying, and you know, we hope that our children walk in this legacy and we just considered a tremendous privilege to, yeah, to share these values with them as we raise them.
Speaker 2:But I would just finish with noting you know, when you go through your life, you, you, you, you think about where to invest your time and your talents and your part of something that is just so much bigger than us that we have. We can only accomplish it when we are, yeah, shouldering up, when we are coming alongside many, many others, and so I hope that the legacy that we are a part of the story of Leader Impact will really be a powerful one through through for generations to come across the whole entire globe, especially here in Europe where we're focused, that there will be transformed. Lives of leaders, who who lean so intentionally and with support of one another and to impact that that just you know faces, the you know of nations and cities and um are, are positively changed. So I, we've definitely intentionally aligned with something, a vision that's just so far beyond what we can accomplish alone, yeah, so well, we are at leader impact, about building the movement.
Speaker 3:So, um, I thank you both just for sharing and I love that. You, you, each year you choose three and sometimes it's two, but you know I sometimes I want more, but it's like if I could change one life or if I could talk to one person. You know one person may talk to another. You know it. As I said, it grows. So thank you for sharing that, that it doesn't have to be a whole church, it can be a person. You know, just start somewhere. So I want to thank you both. I have written so many notes. I'm like I'm going to follow up. It's so good to speak to leaders outside of Canada, so I thank you for taking your time. Now, if anyone wants to reach out, find out more about you, find out about even Leader Impact in Macedonia, is there a way that they can find you?
Speaker 1:I think the best way is the leaderimpactcom website. We've updated it and upgraded it, and so you can go in there and find all of us, find all our regions. Actually, everything is available. For someone that wants to start Leader Impact. They can do it immediately by clicking some of those I'm in buttons.
Speaker 3:I'm in Awesome. Well, I want to thank you both for joining us. It has been it just it's been a pleasure to spend this time Thank you for having us.
Speaker 3:You're welcome, all right. Well, I want to thank everyone for joining us. If you're part of leader impact, you can always discuss or share this podcast with your group. And if you're not yet part of Leader Impact and would like to find out more and grow your leadership, find our podcast page on our website at leaderimpactca and check out our free leadership assessment. You can also check out groups available in Canada at leaderimpactca or, if you're listening from Macedonia or anywhere else in the world, check out leaderimpactcom or get in touch with us by email. Info at leaderimpactca and we will connect you. And if you like this podcast, please leave us a comment, give us a rating or review. This will help other global leaders find our podcast. Thank you for engaging with us and remember impact starts with you.
