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Ep. 78 - Fred Hill - How a Failed Political Bid Led to Ministry
Fred Hill never imagined his 30-year engineering career would lead to becoming a chaplain for politicians, yet that's exactly where listening to spiritual prompting took him. As a chaplain at the legislature, Fred offers a rare window into the intense pressure faced by elected officials. This reality makes Fred's ministry of presence—sometimes simply holding space for a leader's tears—profoundly important.
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Welcome to the Leader Impact Podcast. We are a community of leaders with a network in over 350 cities around the world, dedicated to optimizing our personal, professional and spiritual lives to have impact. This show is where we have a chance to listen and engage with leaders who are living this out. We love talking with leaders, so if you have any questions, comments or suggestions to make this show even better, please let us know. The best way to stay connected in Canada is through our newsletter at leaderimpactca or on social at Leader Impact, or, if you're listening from outside of Canada anywhere else in the world, check out our website at leaderimpactcom. I'm your host, lisa Peters, and our guest today is Fred Hill.
Speaker 2:After a 30-year career as a professional engineer working primarily in the industry industry. I'll start that over. I'm your host, lisa Peters, and our guest today is Fred Hill. After a 30-year career as a professional engineer working primarily in the energy industry, fred retired early in 2015 in order to serve his home church. He served as lead pastor for six years. Fred has also provided volunteer chaplain services within the Regina Correctional Center, exercised his love of motorcycles through the Christian Motorcyclists Association and has had many opportunities to combine his love of travel with mission work in Mexico, south America, india and Africa. Fred is currently part of the leading influence team of chaplains across Canada. They combine their love of supporting people with their love of politics to support elected officials. Fred and his best friend, helena, have been married for over 35 years. They have two grown boys and two exciting grandchildren. Welcome to the show, fred.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so December 31st is our anniversary.
Speaker 2:Oh so 36 years, 37, now 30 G I've all fell apart there. 37 years, fred, Thanks for joining us here today. Um, it is. It is exciting to talk to you, especially in a world that we are living in where politics is wow is all I can say. A little bit front and center, right now right.
Speaker 2:A little bit front and center. So I'm excited to talk to you about more. A little bit about leading influence, but really, how you got to where you are today 30, did it say 30 years engineering in the energy industry? So tell us a little bit about how you got to where you are today, because now you're with leading influence. You know leading elected officials, but from an engineer, like what are those pivotal moments for you to get there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, how did that happen?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So you, you go back a little ways and and I, I came to faith when, right before I started going to university, and so I was really fortunate. Um, I met my ultimately my wife there. Our names were alphabetical in order. So we wound up as project partners in all the little workshops you do in chemistry and physics and project all those things right. We wound up doing them together and so she really helped me get through university.
Speaker 1:Well, I went through University, u of R here in Regina, and took the industrial systems engineering course. That led me to a couple of different companies, but ultimately I landed with Sask Energy, it's Crown Corporation, and I worked for subsidiary Transgas and we did all sorts of work high pressure natural gas pipelines, underground caverns to store natural gas in gas processing plants, all that stuff. I did engineering and project management and staff management and ended my career there five years managing their environment department, which was a lot of fun. But through all of that, two things were taking place. One, we've been totally engaged in our church through all of that process and I was in senior leadership roles in the church, whether it was chair of the board or chair of the elders or, you know, just doing the work that a church does.
Speaker 1:And, in the same vein, very interested in politics. You know door knocking for candidates and stuff like that because the whole realm of politics has always engaged me and I decided to get involved in 2015. There was a federal election coming up. I sought the nomination from one of the federal parties. I lost the nomination. You want to ask about pivotal points. That's one of them. I lost the nomination by a handful of votes. It was crushing, like really, you take a year off of your life and just commit yourself fully to that process. You know what that's like. And when it was done, I had a couple of days to kind of grieve the process and my pastor came and said I don't know if you noticed, but we've put out a posting for another pastor. We need another pastor on staff, somebody who could co-lead with me, and I'd like you to throw your name in. I'm thinking like I'm a professional engineer. I'm not a pastor, yeah, but you've been providing those services to the church for a long time. Throw your name in. See what happens.
Speaker 1:Well, they had 65 applicants and the board eventually whittled it down. We went through about four different interview steps and then they chose me and I was really fortunate. We were a couple. I was a couple of months away from being eligible to retire, and so they graciously waited a couple of months before asking me on, and so then I was able to retire, as opposed to quit and there's a pretty subtle difference there. So that was a pretty pivotal moment for me.
Speaker 1:I operated, I think, well as a lead pastor, but I'm great at managing things and keeping things operational and I'm good at meeting with people one-on-one and supporting them. But that role of pastor is a big undertaking, comes with a lot of stress. I was enjoying it, I loved the role, but in the midst of COVID I was sitting in the service. I had hired a couple of associates and one was leading worship and one was preaching that day, and we only were allowed 30 people in the building, if you remember those days. And so here's an aspect of my faith I believe God still speaks today. Aspect of my faith I believe God still speaks today.
Speaker 1:And sitting in church watching these two guys, I heard loud and clear they're ready to take over and you're in the way. Oh, oh, that hurt. I went home. My wife had been watching online because of the reduced numbers that are allowed to be in the building. I walk in the back door and she says I think they're ready to take over. So that was a bit of confirmation. Prayed about it for a couple of weeks, believed that what we were hearing was accurate and appropriate. So at a Tuesday night board meeting I handed in my resignation. I gave them two years notice I'll stay on for up to two years but I believe they're supposed to take over and we created a transition strategy over the next few weeks and it worked out really well, really really well. But I'd never quit something before and so I turned my resignation on a Tuesday night and Wednesday morning.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:Wednesday morning. And Wednesday morning I got a phone call from an organization I'd never heard of before. Leading influence Schindler, our national director, had been asking around looking for a chaplain in Saskatchewan and he had heard that I had a political interest and so he sought me out. So literally 12 hours after I had handed in my resignation, I was asked if I would be willing to be the chaplain. I didn't know what that meant. I didn't know who leading influence was. It takes to be an elected official, the less and less I actually wanted it. I still wanted to be involved and I didn't know how that was going to happen. So here was this really cool process of shifting gears from being an engineer to being a pastor and then a chaplain to politicians, pastor and then a chaplain to politicians. So I got these, this sort of great balance of getting to be still a pastor but inside the political machinery.
Speaker 2:Just yeah, I'm having so much fun.
Speaker 1:It's good yeah.
Speaker 2:That's interesting that you say, because I mean, we know that I lost an election, a municipal government, and over a year ago, and there's this, I still want to be involved and you're actually my connection, just to you know. I get to be part of one of your events and all the political leaders are there, but I still have that passion too and I don't know where it fits in and I will. You know, something may come, something may not, but I know that feeling. I want to be involved. It's amazing how, you know, 12 hours later, tim Schindel calls you right and says I think I have something for you. When you look at the and I just want to talk a little bit about leading influence when you look at the, you know the changes of the political scenery over the past many years. How do you think your role has changed?
Speaker 2:Because, I have a few friends that have ran and they are currently members of the Legislative Assembly. And election was rough, it was dirty, it was. You know, it's very hard on them. How are you seeing that in your role of being a chaplain for them?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So the role of an elected official is hard period, and I think as a society we've allowed it to get a lot harder as bad as the election was here in terms of you know, dirty politics, if you want to call it that and getting under each other's skin. It was also coming to a head in the way sessions were running too Like we could see it pretty clear. Yeah, the ability to remain humble and operate from a place of honor and humility is a difficult spot in politics to do, because there's such an expectation in your followers and supporters that you are going to be the angry tip of the sword kind of thing. Right? I joke sometimes, although I don't really joke. I think the worst thing we did for politics was we put cameras in the session, because instead of it actually being dialogue and debate, it's often just a show during question period. Right, and let's be fair, that's not where the business of legislature takes place. That's where the show of legislature takes place. Lots of good business takes place elsewhere, and even people that are at each other's throats in question period are much more civil to each other in the hallway, and so we have to be careful that what we see on television or what we see in question period isn't really reflective of the hard work that they're doing otherwise. Right, and so for me, I get reassured a little bit. I get to spend time with the elected officials and their staff during the day, not when it's just question period right, and so I get to see them at their best and their worst. Right, it's still a really hard job, like one of the most, one of my favorite, if I want to call it that. Favorite for a pastor is different than favorite for anybody else. Right, our best days are everybody else's worst day, and I remember specifically just getting a nudge from the Holy Spirit just saying, hey, you should call this minister. He had a really tough day in question period. He had a tough day in front of the media, and so I just reached out hey, would it be worthwhile spending a couple of minutes with me? And got the nod, got the invitation, went to his office and it's one of those opportunities. I just I didn't say anything, I just stood with him, ultimately held him while he cried. Right, this is what it looks like.
Speaker 1:The pressure is immense on elected officials. The decisions you have to make are made with incomplete information, often in a hurry and often under a lot of pressure, with no right answers. What choice you make, somebody's going to dislike you for it, and so part of the privilege I have is to go in and just walk alongside men and women who are laying themselves on the line. For us, whether we agree with them or not is irrelevant, and especially from, like I know, leader Impact. You know, from a Christian perspective, from a faith person's perspective, we know that it's God that raises up and God that pulls down leaders at his choice and in his timing. And for us we have to remember that because it's really easy to make the decision or think that if I just get that person elected, everything will change. That's not the way it works, right. You and I know that we can go through a switch in an election, whether it's party or people, and we're still going to have all the same issues in the world to face.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, thank you for sharing that, fred. I think that was a great explanation of what goes on in front of us and what we see and behind, and I think that's really important. We want to talk a little bit about your best principle of success. If you have one, what is yours, and maybe a story that might illustrate that?
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, I mentioned it, I think, already, sort of in passing. Somebody's clearly trying to get hold of us. I think I mentioned it in passing already. I believe that God still wants to speak to us today. So we know that Christ came so that he could be our Savior, but he also wants to be our Lord, our Lord and Savior. But in order to do that to let him be our Lord we have to allow him to speak to us, and today it's hard because most of us don't slow down enough to listen. So there's a principle that I have for success, which is trust and obey. It was taught to be my by my mentor. I've passed it on to lots of other people. To pray. First we have to listen, we have to trust that the things that he's got for us are the best things for us, and then we have to be committed to be obedient to what he tells us.
Speaker 1:And all three of them are hard. Right, all three of them are hard until they're no longer hard because you've got so many experiences of him just being true to what he says I mentioned already, right, I was in the church and I heard it's their time to take over and you're in the way. Like I could have been frustrated. I could have tried to done better. Instead, I listened to what he had to say, I trusted it, I tested it, prayed about it and then I was obedient to it. I'd never left any job before and it led me to the greatest one I've ever had by a long shot. So I mean, that's an example. But there's so many day-to-day things. I'll give you one from a business perspective.
Speaker 1:I had a staff member one time that just couldn't quite cut it in the role you know as lots of coaching, lots of help and mentoring. Just it wasn't there right for that specific role. And this person is knocking it out of the park in a different role now. But at the time it was like man, I'm going to have to let this person go. This is tough. So I stopped. I asked God the question how do I handle this? And then I listened and waited and what I heard was I don't want you to do anything, I'll do it for you. How are you going to write a dismissal letter for me, right? Like that doesn't count. So I waited.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you got to wait a while. This was only about four or five days and this person came in and, with all humility, asked if it would be okay if they quit. They had come to a decision. There was something else that they wanted to do feed them better. And so then, with your straight face, you go. Well, I suppose we could talk about the options, right, but I didn't do anything. I was looking at one of those hardest decisions a manager ever makes I'm going to have to let this person go. They're just not cutting it. And yet God said let me handle it. And he changed their heart and they came and said would it be okay if I left? How would we make that happen? Yeah, and so we're still friends, right?
Speaker 2:You didn't fire them. Yeah yeah, have you't fire them. I didn't fire them. Yeah yeah, have you ever told them the story?
Speaker 1:Well. I may not link to this. No, but you know that's a long time ago. Yeah, you know. They probably wouldn't even recognize themselves in the story.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's a great principle Listen, trust, obey. And that the trusting sometimes takes time, you know, because we want everything to happen so fast. We want action. You know, we move too fast sometimes, we just need to listen.
Speaker 1:Too fast to stop and listen and too fast to wait, and we're repeatedly told wait upon me, wait for me, I'll do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah great, we learn, we know. I think we all know we learn more from our failures and mistakes than our own successes, and I'm wondering if you have one you can share and what you learned from it.
Speaker 1:As he laughs yeah, actually I'm laughing. For as soon as you started to say that, thought came to mind. I had applied for a promotion one time at Sask Energy and I'd probably been there 10 years already, and it was a pretty senior role I was applying for and I didn't get it. And afterwards I went to have a conversation with the hiring VP and just help me understand, like, what were you looking for that I didn't have. What do I need to do to get myself ready if that sort of role ever comes open again? And his response was we haven't seen you fail yet and we really need to know how you're going to respond when you fail before we put you in that senior role and I'm thinking, well, I'll go make an opportunity for myself then. I've always laughed at that what. You haven't seen me fail. Anyway, I have failed and I have learned from it.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you, as a chaplain at the ledge, my number one currency is trust. Everything is confidential, right? These people live in a fishbowl. They have to be able to trust me, and so there's been a couple of times in my life that I can point to where I failed on the trust level. Once with my wife. It was early in our marriage. We had come to an agreement even before we were married we would never speak ill of each other to anybody else, right? If we got an issue with each other, we're going to take it up with each other, and in public. You know, you're never going to cut your wife down in public. You're never going to cut your husband down in public.
Speaker 2:And I did once.
Speaker 1:Oh, I was crushed, and a little bit of it was because I realized I had just done what I had promised not to. But the bigger part of it was the realization I'd have to go home and tell her, and I knew it was going to break her heart, right. So it would have been so easy just to keep my mouth shut. So easy just to keep my mouth shut, and instead I have to go and explain the situation and deal with the fallout of having broken that trust. It's so much easier to keep our mouth shut.
Speaker 1:Being confidential is hard sometimes, because I'm a verbal processor, so sometimes the dog gets an earful yeah, one other was along the same. Yeah, because I'm a verbal processor, so sometimes my dog gets an earful. Yeah, yeah, but I have one other was along the same lines. I've got a friend that was an MLA and he was going to be retiring and he had shared that he was going to be retiring with me and I thought it was public information but it wasn't, and I was having a one-on-one conversation with a person that was in the premier's office and I just let it slip like it's common knowledge and you could tell, you know, when you know, right, you go oh, this is news. Oh no, I'm the one that broke the news.
Speaker 1:And so then immediately I had to turn around and go find this guy. And immediately I had to turn around and go find this guy and apologize and let him know who knows what, so that he can go start to manage the fallout. For me, trust is so important and it's so quickly lost. We're still good friends, it's good. But still to have to walk up to anyone for me, especially anyone, one of the MLAs and say, look, I blew it, because everything is based on trust, they live in a fishbowl.
Speaker 2:Nothing can right, yeah, they trust you. Has anyone ever broken your trust? Oh that you can remember.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a few that have um from time to time, but I this is relatively new for me over the last few years I've COVID was really good for me. This way, I've just learned never to get offended. Like you can say something about me, lisa, to somebody else, and I'll hear about it and I'll go huh, that's funny, Right. Like I just let them. It's like water off a duck's back now and part of it is just I've learned um. My savior went through anything for me. I can go through a little bit of backtalk and stuff, so people have let me down and sometimes for a day or two I'll dwell on it, but boy, I let it go pretty quick. There's lots of people that have come back to me and apologized. Later I had a fellow come back almost 10 years after he had broken my trust to apologize and ask forgiveness, and I really had to ask him to remind me what it was Like. I keep pretty short memory, right. I'd rather. I'd rather not remember, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I would turn that to the people that maybe you have broken their trust, that you know, maybe they're willing to grant grace just like you did.
Speaker 1:I know in both of those cases, I know that they're both both this MLA and my wife super graceful people. Yeah right, absolutely.
Speaker 2:That's a little bit why I can share the stories yeah, and I mean I mean I think of the people we surround ourselves with right. We've surround ourselves with people that you know, we do trust and that they, you, they'll grant us grace when something like that happens or you know it was a slip, but you came clean right away. So, most importantly, well done so at Leader Impact and I know you know a little bit about us, but we want to grow personally, professionally, spiritually, for increasing impact. So I'm wondering if you'd be willing to share an example of how the spiritual, which I think you can, makes a practical difference in your life as a leader, which is your life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, it comes a little bit back to the listen, trust and obey part, right, like, for me, the spiritual, everything is spiritual. In our church we used to have a board of directors and a group of elders, one to deal with the spiritual and one to deal with the practical everyday aspects of the church. That was a really bad idea. I don't recommend that for anybody, right? Because the reality is it's all spiritual and so that listen, trust and obey it's engaging him in every aspect of what we do.
Speaker 1:I walked down the hall at the legislature and I wait for a nudge from the spirit, like, if I'm going to go from floor three to floor one, what do I take? The elevator or the stairs, like, like, it's not. Like, how many steps do I take, sort of thing. But I will listen for that nudge because there may be a divine appointment in the stairwell, and there have been many of those. I remember one specifically, right Like I was in session listening to question period and had a horrible migraine. Only time I would have a headache that I would call a migraine. It was almost debilitating. But I'm also one of those kind of guys that I'll just persevere, right. And so I'm sitting up there trying to pay attention and I got this nudge. No, it's time for you to leave.
Speaker 1:I got up and left and I would have taken the elevator and said, no, take the stairs. So I took the stairs and while I was going down I crossed paths with one of the security guards and he grabbed me and took me off into an alcove and I thought, oh no, I'm in trouble again again.
Speaker 1:Brad, I grew up in the neighborhood of the ledge. I got thrown out for skateboarding down the hallway when I was about, so you know it comes rushing back. But he grabbed me, pulled me into an alcove and we probably spent half an hour in a time of confession. He needed a time of confession and, like part of the benefit of the headache, I don't think I really heard or retained anything that he had to say, but was able to listen to him, pray with him, and I would not have had that encounter if I had persevered upstairs like I would. Normally the nudge was move, go take the stairs. Okay, just sit and listen. It changes everything when you're in tune with what the Holy Spirit Galatians 5.25, I think it is is now that you know the spirit, stay in step with the spirit. I might be quoting it not quite right, but to me that's an aspect of how the spiritual has an impact on our everyday life, which can include our commercial life or business life, whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I love the nudge. Whatever you call it. Some people may call it something different it's I think I struggle with that. I didn't listen, I didn't get up and go. I didn't. I should have you know and I try not to regret.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I have those too, right, thank you.
Speaker 1:Right, Like absolutely yeah. I sometimes wonder oh, what if I had Right? Right, but you can't live that way, it's you know what? God, I'm sorry, Give me another opportunity. I know you still love me. Right, Like I'm not cut out of his world just because I said no one time. But the reality is it's much more fun, over and over and over again, to follow his lead and see the amazing things that he lets you do.
Speaker 2:Good Thanks for that. I feel better.
Speaker 1:Like it says right, he's prepared. Amazing works for us to do.
Speaker 2:So one of our last. We have two questions left for you. Leader Impact is dedicated to having a lasting impact for us to do. Yeah, so one of our last. We have two questions left for you. Leader Impact is dedicated to having a lasting impact to leaders having a lasting impact as you continue to move through your own journey. Have you considered what you want your faith legacy to be when you leave this world?
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure I want to leave behind a whole bunch of people who know him and follow him and have incorporated them in their lives. And I remember when this became sort of an issue for me you talk about nudge I had heard him pretty clear saying I want you to begin intentionally discipling other people, and I like had no idea how to do that. Like I don't even know where to start with that God. And so one of the things that I've learned through my mentoring is if he puts a desire in your heart or a character trait that you know that you should be working on, then you begin to pray for the desire and the ability and he'll honor that prayer. And so I started that process and about a year later I was still praying for the desire and the ability to disciple people. And he says would you just stop for a moment and take stock? And what do you mean? And so I have a journal I use that's a whole other story and we just started making notes on the people that I was currently mentoring and discipling and coaching, and I had about five groups of people on three different continents that I was discipling through some tools that we've got, three different continents that I was discipling through some tools that we've got, and a couple that I was coaching through their work and a couple other individuals, and I hadn't even realized that I had started to do the thing that he had called me into. I didn't realize that that's what was taking place. It had just sort of accumulated.
Speaker 1:People would ask hey, fred, would you meet with me? And it would get formalized right. One guy friends just connected us because we were both engineers. He was here from Nigeria and he had some spare time. Well, why don't you meet with Fred? He's an engineer, you're an engineer, you guys must have something to talk about. And again, one of the nudges, I was dropping him off at home after we'd had coffee and just this ask him if he wants to be discipled. Oh, okay, like he's flying home tomorrow, how does that work? And we wound up spending time with him and a bunch of his staff from his company in Nigeria. We spent about two years together in this discipleship path just from being willing to say, well, are you interested in being discipled? And they're great people with lots of knowledge. But we all need coaching and mentoring along the way. I know that's my legacy is helping people move into that discipline relationship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that you were there for me and I'll share the story because this is the nudge that I had been offered a really lovely position, a job, and I wanted it. And we worked for months on writing this description and I wanted it and I know we went back and forth on this a little bit and then, when it came time there's just something came to me and I couldn't accept it and I remember being crushed thinking how could I not? And I had the discussion with you and my mom fell three days later after I had said no, and I'm the caregiver, I'm the one we're going to cardiology appointments. I had to clean out my office because my you know and you don't know at the time, and it's like I wanted it, I and I remember just praying and I was like there's something that said no that's such a great example.
Speaker 2:And I, you know, and I and I now I look back I'm like I was exactly where I am, exactly where I'm supposed to be, and so little things like that, those nudges that are really hard. But when you talk about you know just your faith legacy, you were there for me, so you're that guy that you know. So I thank you for that, just being at the other end of the phone when I needed it. So, all right. So our final question for you, fred, is what brings you the greatest joy?
Speaker 1:That's easy Me and my wife on our motorcycles whipping down a new highway. We've never been on on a cool, absolutely crystal blue sky day.
Speaker 2:Oh, where's your head when that where? Where are you?
Speaker 1:Oh, I'll tell you, the acoustics inside of a full helmet are amazing. Nobody's complaining that you're singing. I sing almost nonstop when I'm on my motorcycle. It's crazy, yeah, yeah. And he put on thousands and thousands of miles. I can go forever.
Speaker 1:She and she was the motorcyclist right, like like you'd think it was the other way around, but I remember she had always wanted a motorcycle. Eventually she got one and I had borrowed it and taken it to work one day. And she phones me at work and she never phones me at work. Like she had taken 13 years off to raise our boys. So she's at home. She knows not to interrupt me at work and she never phones me at work. Like she had taken 13 years off to raise our boys. So she's at home. She knows not to interrupt me at work. I had people in my office, but it's her, so I'm going to answer because she wouldn't normally phone. And I hit the speakerphone and she comes on and she goes where's my damn bike? It's in the parkade. Get your own bike, okay phone call's over, like she said it nicely.
Speaker 1:But every guy in the room where can I get a wife like that? Oh, you're right, I had permission to buy a motorcycle. I had one shortly after that. We ride together all the time, yeah.
Speaker 2:That makes my cheeks hurt.
Speaker 1:Mine too.
Speaker 2:Well, helena, well done. So do you both have separate bikes now? We do, yeah, parked away for the winter, or are they still there?
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:I didn't mean to bring that up.
Speaker 1:Thank you very much, and Tim, our national director, who lives in Victoria, wrote to church a couple of weeks ago, oh, and was mean enough to send me a photo.
Speaker 2:Meany yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know it cost him down the road.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow, soon the weather will change there. For you, fred, I want to thank you for taking the time out today to share with us. It is always a pleasure. I love spending time with you and I've seen Helena, and when we see each other. We see each other at Costco and we'll just stop for like a half hour and talk, so I love seeing her too. If people want to engage with you, where can they find you? What would be the best place?
Speaker 1:Yeah, probably the best. Go to wwwleadinginfluencecom and in there you can pick a province. If you're listening to this somewhere else in Canada and you want to know who's the chaplain in Ontario, you go to Pray Ontario, and so we've also got a prayer network in each of the provinces here. It's Pray SK, and if people want, they can sign up for that and they'll get daily. We issue daily prayers for MLAs here, and so we've got a bunch of authors who you know what it takes to write prayers every day for weeks on end, right, and so join Pray SK and then you can become part of that team that's praying for MLAs, regardless of the color of their team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, it's our joy to support all of them, because when they're all supported well, we get better governance as a province.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. Thank you again, fred, for joining us.
Speaker 1:Thanks, Lisa Cool.
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