Ep. 107 - Justin Simpkins - Lead With Heart

Leadership rarely breaks because we lack information. It breaks because we forget the human in front of us. Justin Simpkins joins us with a simple conviction that keeps cutting through the noise: lead with heart and the rest follows. 

Justin shares how character and teachability can matter more than credentials, and how a growth mindset turns unfamiliar work into a calling. 

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Welcome And Leader Impact Mission

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Welcome to the Leader Impact Podcast. We are a community of leaders with a network in over 350 cities around the world dedicated to optimizing our personal, professional, and spiritual lives to have impact. This show is where we have a chance to listen and engage with leaders who are living this out. We love talking with leaders, so if you have any questions, comments, or suggestions to make this show even better, please let us know. The best way to stay connected in Canada is through our newsletter at leaderimpact.ca or on social at LeaderImpact. And if you're listening from outside of Canada, check out our website at leaderimpact.com. I'm your

Meet Justin Simpkins

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host, Lisa Peters, and our guest today is Justin Simpkins. Justin is a husband, father of three, and entrepreneur based in Mooshjaw, Saskatchewan. On the agriculture side, he's a partner at Gro Lytics, a leading financial consulting firm dedicated to helping farms strengthen their business and build lasting resilience. He's also founder and director of the Prairie Hockey Academy, a program built on the belief that hockey is a powerful tool for developing life champions, not just athletes. Justin also chairs the agribusiness curriculum committee at Briarcrest College and Seminary, co-authored the Amazon bestseller, Significance over Success, and co-hosts the Grit and Growth Podcast with over a hundred episodes and counting. At the core of it all is a simple conviction. Lead with heart and the rest follows. Welcome to the show, Justin.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

Thank you, Lisa. I'm privileged to be here.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

It is nice to have you. And I I I I say I got caught up on the word, you're an amazing bestseller, an Amazon bestseller, but both I think you're amazing. Yeah. I understand that our one of our leader impact groups in Canada is going to be using your book to study.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Yeah, absolutely. The Calgary chapter, actually. They had they had reached out to my co-author, Shane Soudon and I, and um just kind of blown away by it. I and I find maybe that's what we're here to talk about. Just just the way that uh God sometimes can just use us, just simple us when we when we actually, you know, sometimes maybe it's just about obedience or putting ourselves out there. And yeah, uh anyway, yeah, I was I was a little bit taken back, uh, pretty honored, and I think it's really neat.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Yeah. The Calgary chapter, the whole Alberta chapter is doing a really great job. So um I'm I'm excited for you. Congratulations. And uh, because we do local books, and it is so nice to have a local author zoom in. It's so fun. So um we we won't we'll have probably have some different questions, but uh, we really want to hear about your journey and how you got from, you know, how you got to here being an author, a podcast, the prairie hockey, um, like lead like founding that and leading it, and really sort of the like we want to hear the pivotal moments. I mean, I'd like to hear it all. That'd be great. I'll I'll read the book. But sort of those pivotal moments that got you here today.

Psalm 37 And Learning To Say Yes

SPEAKER_01 2:52

Um, sure. I think, you know, I think it comes down to I'll say this, in in college, I, you know, I really started to come across this idea of Psalm 37.4 and just talks, you know, in in that psalm, it says, delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart. And, you know, maybe as a teenager at one point I thought maybe that was like a Porsche 9-11, but I started to recognize that the desires of my heart weren't these material pieces, but actually that as we as we pursued relationship um with God and we, you know, started to delight ourselves in that, that that things would be downloaded into our hearts at times that would be things that started to break your heart that you didn't even know that that like why why am I getting emotional about this? Or why are why is this all of a sudden something that I feel like I'm supposed to do? And so I if I think back on a bit of my journey and I and you look back, you know, 20 years and you're like, yeah, I I don't think I ever thought I would, you know, have authored a book or been confident enough to be in a podcast. But I think it's just that ability to say yes along the way. Yeah. And and that sometimes just meant saying yes to a new job, and I didn't understand what it was. I was coaching college hockey and my wife and I had a conversation, and you know, she was really clear that uh I was supposed to be done coaching. It was the right thing for our family at that time for the two of us, and that was really hard to step away from a game that I loved to jump into something that I had no idea about, which was agriculture and insurance. And I remember when this entrepreneur asked me to join him, I said, Well, what is it? And he said, Well, it's a it's a private crop insurance company. And I said, Well, I'm like a city kid. Like I'm not from a farm, I don't know anything about farming. And I I also know nothing about insurance. And I just remember him being like, Well, that's perfect. He's like, because I can, you know, I can I can teach you all that stuff. That's easy. Those are the easy skills. And anyway, so I just think it's you know, sometimes they don't make sense, these, these leaps and these jumps. Um, but you say yes, and uh, and God has a plan and he kind of weaves your way.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Yeah, oh, I love that. I a long time ago, I thought I have I just have to say yes, and then I'll I'll I'll let it work itself out. I'll let it work. And it is it is scary to say yes or to change direction. Um, change management is a huge thing. Uh so um how did you get how did you start the prairie hockey?

Building Prairie Hockey Academy With Purpose

SPEAKER_00 5:21

The prairie hockey Yeah, Prairie Hockey Academy.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

It's um, you know what, that uh so the really quick version of that is, you know, Lisa, I I played hockey. I love playing hockey growing up as a kid. The truth is, is I was probably a pretty mediocre hockey player and I didn't have the best attitude. And so in junior hockey, that makes you really expendable. And um, and you start to learn that your choices create your challenges. And so fast forward quite a bit of time, and I I came across a leadership coach who started to make sense to me. It was like for the first time, leadership wasn't dots on a whiteboard, it wasn't a new book I picked up off the shelf and tried to make sense of it. It was here's point A, follow these dots to get to point B, and it's really clear. And I was coaching college at this time, and I thought to myself, if I if I would have had this when I was 15 years old, I really truly believe that it would have changed my trajectory. And so I thought, why don't I just why don't I start giving this to kids? I had a I had a much younger brother, he was born in 1998, and um I was born in 83 for all the listeners. So there's the gap here, and I'd been away from home ever since he was born, and so I thought, well, this could be a unique way for me to connect with my brother. And so I started a kids' hockey program. I had a marketing degree, told me if I called it AAA, that parents would pay money to come. So I did that. Um, we we ran a spring program, and all these kids came out. But my intent was that we're gonna run a really good hockey practice, we can do that, but we're actually gonna go afterwards to a classroom and we're gonna teach simple leadership principles, and we're gonna use the power of hockey to develop life champions. And fast forward that half a dozen years of doing this for free, all of our coaches work for free, and we just did it for fun. And we saw transformation happening in kids' lives. Like they were joining us, they were the first group was 10 and 11-year-olds, and it grew from there. And we started to see these young men and women just growing into being leaders and getting responses back from teachers about just like the change they're seeing in these kids' lives and and parents. So, parents would get an email from a teacher, like, hey, what happened to Jackson? He's all of a sudden sitting at the front of his class, he's all of a sudden taking responsibility, he's all of a sudden doing these things we've been asking him to do. And they would forward it to us and say, Hey, coaches, like we don't know what to accredit this to other than what you've been teaching him in these classes. So that led from one thing to another to the idea and application to start a hockey academy. Um purely it's um prairie hockey academy exists today, not to be a hockey factory, not to just develop more athletes, but to truly be a spot that uh can be, you know, a national leader in um in character development and athlete development. And and I think we're doing a really good job. And it doesn't mean when you have 80 athletes, you know, 80 young men together below heaven that you don't have challenges because you do, but um I think we're doing some good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

Yeah. I uh I think of um I'm an athlete, well, was a basketball player, and I think of all the coaches I had in my life, and you think of all the coaches and and what they meant to me. And just listening to you reminds me of my son played hockey, had a coach, and I I it's like I wanted to tell the coach, can you tell my son to do this? Because he listened to you. Because my son loved his coach, they were good men. We played for the the Prairie Hockey uh association storm, and I mean all of the coaches, so and they're all volunteer, and so thank you just for being that coach that those kids they make a difference, and you make a difference, so yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

Thank

Leadership Means Loving People

SPEAKER_01 8:52

you. Coaching is such an incredible opportunity, and I I was and I think this will this will apply to your to your um listeners, Lisa, because I I was at a dinner a couple months ago, and it was a it was a dinner put on by a large bank, and they had their chief economist in and some different people, and and there's a couple political people around the table, and they this question got asked around the table. It was an intimate, probably about eight people, and it was what makes a good politician? And there was different, you know, answers being given back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And they came to me like, hey Justin, what do you think makes a good politician? And I said, Well, I think what makes a good politician is what makes a great coach. I think what makes a great coach is what makes a great leader. Um, and I I said that the only job of a leader is to love the people. So the only job of a coach is to love their players, their athletes. Because I said, I think if you think about that as a politician, if you if you love the people that you've been, you know, elected to lead, then all the bases will be covered. Like it will, it'll actually, you know, you'll you'll prepare yourself, you'll you'll look after them. So anyway, we went through a handful of things. And I just think as a coach, that's been the biggest privilege is just starting to understand that it's not that hard. Anyone can draw X's and O's on a whiteboard. It's it's um, you know, being able to connect and transform a human being is where is where the magic happens.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

And did your idea of politicians just loving their people get traction at the table?

SPEAKER_01 10:20

You know what it truly did. It had like this pause, and a lot of people they they started to understand what I was what I was saying. And of course, this is part of my Christian worldview and recognizing you know our call as leaders to to love others and to to steward and serve them well.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

And anyway, yeah, yes, good.

Integrity In Hard Business Conversations

SPEAKER_00 10:40

All right. Well, my next question for you has to do about your best principle of success, if you have one and if you have a story to share about it.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Yeah, sure. Um I think uh, you know, character, I th I I talk lots about character development with our with our athletes, and I and I think about you know, be more I think it was Winston Churchill, I think it was like be more concerned about your character than your reputation, because your character is actually who you are, and your reputation is just what maybe a small group of people think that you are. And um, and so when I think about that, one of the biggest pieces for me in business that I've learned over the last you know, 20 years now is um is integrity matters. And um, and I know there's a lot of things that matter, but I think integrity is this big one for me. And I know that there's been times over my my life and a young teen and a young adult and stuff that maybe my integrity wasn't there. Uh in my business career, I think of opportunities where I was I was kind of forced into the a role as of a CEO of a company at a younger age in my early 30s. And and um I remember I took over this company as a CEO and I was I was kind of burdened with a lot of debt from the previous CEO. And and one of them was actually, you know, some issues with our landlord. And uh I didn't want to go face the landlord face to face. In fact, I had a lot of fear about it. And I remember sitting in the parking lot of the landlord's office and thinking to myself as sitting in my truck, and I was like, I had like just everything to get out of the truck to go and face him and have a conversation and just have some tough conversations of where we were at as a company. And when I went and met with him, I've met with him before and and it was fine. And when I met with him, we ended up having like an hour-long conversation. And when we were done, he just thanked me. He said, You know what, Justin, thank you. Thanks for coming in to see me face to face. He said, Every time I've met with you, I always knew you were gonna tell me the truth. And you've always done that, and so it makes it easy. I I wish more people were like that.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

And I got in my truck and I thought to myself, like, it's like there's this opportunity every day in our life to make a deposit into our bank account of our character. Um, and it's like the decisions we make every day line up to these tough meetings and these tough moments. Um, but you get to show up in what you've built.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

Yeah. It's a good story.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Yeah, thank you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:59

Uh yeah, that's good. Um, our next question, we talk about failures and success. Because I think we all know we learn more from our failures and our success uh than our own like successes. We learn more from our failures and mistakes than our successes. I think I said that wrong. So I'm wondering if you have one that you can share, a failure or a mistake, um, and what you learned from it.

The Cost Of Ignoring A Good Employee

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Um yeah, we definitely, we 100% do. Uh, we we learn from our failures. Uh that this is why sports is such a really cool piece for life and and and developing, you know, raising good teammates and developing people to to contribute to our society moving forward because they we fail every day in sport. Um every every at bat, we usually have at least one miss swing and miss, right? And so there's been companies, I've been a part of a company and CEO of a company that I had to close. I mean, there was lots of things that I learned in that scenario. But let's let's actually change it a little bit. You know what? I I I had an employee that I really valued. Um, at least I thought I really valued. So as a leader, what what happened is I felt like this this employee was good. I felt like they they were good at their job, they were paid, they were paid very well. Um, you know, they were my highest plaid employee, they were good at their job, they they just showed up and they they weren't a problem ever. And so I didn't give them any of my attention. And I thought that they knew I enjoyed them or that I appreciated them or I cared for them until they quit. Until they quit because they said that I I was the reason they quit, because I I didn't care about them. And uh and that was really humbling, actually. And so I learned a lot in that moment of like how important it is to care for the people in and just to check in and just to have a quick conversation, how are things going, even when they're not, you know, it doesn't seem like everything's burning down on them. Uh, but just yeah, yeah, caring for people and making sure you see them is important.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Yeah, uh, I was in a leadership call this morning. We talked about just being intentional. We have to be more intentional to each other and to make those calls. And as you told the story before about, you know, you're afraid to get out of the car. Um, there's a lot of people now at younger who and and I shouldn't I shouldn't even say younger because I'm I'm older, 50 something, and we might text, right? Instead of facing the person face to face. So um, you know, I mean, sometimes a text can be a check-in, but not a it's it's not that personal connection. And I I'm not sure if we're losing that in our society today. We we just we pick up the phone or we text or you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:30

Yeah, my um my father-in-law, who's uh um, I don't want to call him old, but he's he's a he's a he's a retired farmer, retired pastor, recovering pastor, maybe you'd call him. But I just always find he always has a line that I can remember, and it's like we text for information, we we call, have a conversation, right? And so when when something becomes a conversation over text, it's like pick up the pick up the phone and have a conversation or meet in person. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

I I hate I and I I I have done it. And I as you as you're saying, I'm like, oh, I should I need to text, I I need to call that person back, you know, yeah because you're right. It we call someone because we care and and love them. Um now I know that you've had some contact with leader impact. You know a few of our people. Um we want to grow personally, professionally, and spiritually for increasing impact.

Faith That Guides Real Decisions

SPEAKER_00 16:19

You've talked a lot about this so far. So um, if you're willing to share an example of how the spiritual makes a practical difference in your life as a leader.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Yeah. Um I think, I think for so long, uh, maybe or maybe it's just something we've been taught, we shouldn't talk about faith or politics, right? Like when you're getting your hair cut or around a dinner business table or anything like that. And and I but when I read my Bible, I don't, I don't see that. I don't, I don't see that we shouldn't talk about these things. Even Jesus talked about politics and and different things uh throughout his time. And so I um I I just need to I've learned to live by that more and at the same time not great. But I but I what I do recognize is you know, a few years ago I read a book by Jamie Winship and it's called Living Fearless. And so if if if some people maybe have have read this book and maybe they haven't, and and you can read the book, it's exceptional. But honestly, if you like podcasts, and maybe you do if you're listening to this, Jamie has some incredible podcasts, and the way he talks and the way he tells stories is is mind-blowing. And so I've just started to try and practice what he's telling us. And it's just like just don't buy the false identity that the world tells you, but rather actually believe you know the truth of who you are and your identity. And um and so in doing that, oftentimes the way I've started to practice what what he did, and so he he had a he had a start in policing. You you'll hear that if you if you read or or listen to one of his podcasts and his story. And he he would get into situations where he didn't he was a detective and he didn't know the answer, and he would just pause and say, you know what, God? Just show me what you want me to see right now in this. And he started to solve all these crazy crimes and and things till till the point where the CIA or FBI came and met with him, they're like, We want, here's a case file. We want to know, we cannot figure out how you figured this out. Please tell us. And and so his story was like, Well, I don't think you're gonna like my answer. And um, and so that's what he told him. And so he has all these miraculous stories, and I'm like, okay, so why can't I do that same thing? If I'm sitting in my truck and I'm stressed about this meeting, why can't I actually bring that forward and just pray about it? Say, Lord, um, you know, we're all spiritual beings, and so let me pray about this. What do you what do you want me to see going to this meeting? What do you want me to know before I walk into this room? What do you want me to say? And and just sit for quiet, you know, for 30 seconds or a minute and then go in. Um I've done that, I've had to do that with certain pieces, whether it's, you know, risk management plans for farms or financial things for farms, and I'm I'm lost inside of a spreadsheet, and I'm like, okay, God, what do you want me to see in this? And just trying to start to practice that a little bit. You know, we all have challenges and conflict happens because we're humans, and so inside of conflict, and you're maybe talking and trying to help a couple people out inside of their conflict, and it's just like, Lord, what do you want me to see inside of this right now? And how can I speak to their heart? Because we're all, you know, it's it's basically fear is what's is what's you know running this conflict right now. So, how do we break that down? So I'd like to say that that's been something I've matured into here in my 40s a little bit is going just stopping to pray um oftentimes throughout my day, as opposed to before I eat or before I go to bed or with my kids or things like that.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Yeah. Have you so would you say you said you've grown into that? So were you raised in a in a Christian home? Did you always have this with you? Did you take a break? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I uh I was raised in a Christian home. I'm grateful for for that and my parents and and what um you know that foundation that was given. And at the same time, I was, you know, probably a curious teenager who who took a break um and had to had to really recognize um you know who I wanted to be and and uh and who I was. And so uh yeah, and then I I would say I've grown into that. So I I did eventually go to Briercrest College and graduate. So I was I was a part of you know Briercrest and had a degree, a business degree from Briercrest, and um that amounted to something that was really interesting, even in that I remember working in the public sector and being told that if I took my Briercrest degree, I wouldn't, you know, that wouldn't be of any value in the in the marketplace. People would rather me just have a U of R degree. I thought that was interesting. Um now I actually tend to hire a lot of people from Briercrest because I think that the character and value they bring um impact their their day-to-day life and their work ethic for me. So um yeah, I think so when I say grown into that, I'm 43, 40, I'm almost 43 in a week, I think. And uh so yes, I when I say grown into that, it's part of the maturation of being married for 19 years and having three children and just recognizing that as a man, and I think a lot of your listeners could attest to this that if they're if they're males, it's like as a man, I feel a lot of pressure at times, and and I start to become a dad, and I'm like, I don't have what it takes. Um but then I realize that that's why I need Jesus in so many ways, right? And so there's that that's just that growth and and growing into recognizing I can't do it all on my own.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Yeah. Um, I I know as a woman we feel that same way. It's we're not enough. And we look in the mirror and we're not enough for that job, we're not enough for that those friends, we're we're, you know. Um what I have found interesting in in mine is you know, you have three young children, I have two, and I now get to spend that time with them. In and we'll get up early in the morning and we have That quiet time together, and we talk about how God moves in our lives. That has been a game changer for me to see my children grow, you know, and to watch them. Yeah. I didn't have that. So I kind of married into someone like that. So I I think that's important for listeners just to know you can still get there. Like you don't, you know, we're not some of us aren't born into a Christian family. And and I was as well, drifted away. But we we came back because we knew there was more. So I just appreciate the sharing, starting the conversation and sharing the story. So um all right, well, moving on, we're gonna talk a little bit about lasting impact.

Legacy Through Family Service And Sport

SPEAKER_00 22:39

At leader impact, we are dedicated to leaders having a lasting impact. And so as you continue to move through your own journey, and you know, you're only 43 next week, 44?

SPEAKER_01 22:49

43, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:50

Yeah. Have you considered what you want your faith legacy to be when you leave this world? Which sounds morbid because you know you're you've got a long ways to go, but when you leave, what do you want to do?

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Yeah, we never know, I guess. Um I think it's you know, I have three young children. My children are 11, um, eight, and six right now. And uh my middle one's almost nine, they're like a week after me. So it's it's uh I look at that and I'm I don't know if you recall that or with your kids or anybody else, maybe, but I feel like kids are at that point where it's like they they don't want to go to church on Sunday, and sometimes it's like I don't want it to be this religious activity, but it's like it's important for them to understand as I leave a faith legacy about why my relationship with Jesus matters and why it's important for us to be in a community of believers and why it's important for us to gather still together and and those pieces. And so I think about my family first. I think that's important. I think it's important that we that we give back, whether it's through service, through, through you know, financial tithing and things like that, into our local, into the local church that we're being fed from. And so I think that's a big piece of my legacy that I want to leave is that family side first. And then if you think about bigger than that, I think that's where, you know, as you introduced me, I was like, Jeepers, I could have cut that in half. I I but I'm like, there's there's pieces that you say yes to that I'm like, yeah, I'd love to be a part of that. Um I I'm I'm ecstatic that BriarCrest College now has an agriculture program. That we were, I got to be a part of an incredible team of of people, uh, men and women that came together to build a curriculum to launch a program so that families could still who you know might be from the ag world or want their children or kids that want to get in the egg can actually send them to BriarCrest to get a Christian worldview, um, education, a degree, a business degree with an agriculture minor in it, and um and and you know, go back. And so I'm like, I I feel like you know, I just wanted to say yes to that. And maybe that's part of that legacy, maybe um, and of course what we do at Prairie Hockey Academy, I think matters. We're we're taking, you know, hockey Canada over the last half a dozen years. It hasn't, it's been it's been through the mud and out of it a little bit, and and there's there's always been this stigma maybe about it. And so we we're taking this opportunity inside a sport to to call people up actually to who they were created to be and and to use sport to do that. And whether that's through hockey or someday, you know, other sports, I think that's a way for me to constantly be sharing my faith and and also being able to invest in that next generation.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Yeah. Wow, Justin. You I just listening to you when you think about the hockey and how you got into agriculture, and you're like, I don't know nothing about it. And and look at you, right? Like the agribusiness, the the the curriculum you've written, the your career, but there's always a God component in it, and that it's just makes me smile. Thank you for the smile.

SPEAKER_01 25:48

Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you. I I appreciate it. I think it's really important that we just all remember like that at one point in time we were able to learn, why can't we still, right? And so that's that whole growth mindset side, and it's um it is harder work sometimes as opposed to just being comfortable and doing an old thing, but but it's worth it.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Yeah.

Joy Comes From Slowing Down

SPEAKER_00 26:07

So my last question for you is what brings you the greatest joy?

SPEAKER_01 26:15

We uh, you know, I I mean I as a dad now, it it's hard for me to just say, you know, I think about I've been married for 19 years and and my you know, my wife and I anytime we get to to get away and you just feel like you can actually finish a conversation without being interrupted, uh, is is just rich and a lot of fun. And you just start to recognize just how how God put you together, it feels like, and that um there's so much you know you can catch up on in those conversations, but you just your friendship is so is so rich. Uh and then we just do things as a family, like we we never thought we'd have a dog. Well, we have a dog now. He arrived on March 1st and his name's Champ, and he is um he's a lot of fun, but just watching my children play and laugh and drag this guy around is um stressful sometimes, but at the other time, just so joyful, right? And just hearing them laugh. And so, and I want I I want people to see to understand that it's also really difficult for me to slow down enough to watch my children and to and to play with them and to experience that joy. And so asking me the question is is um beneficial to me to to reflect that my greatest joy comes from my kids, getting the chance to be involved with them, getting the chance to coach softball tonight uh for my daughters, or you know, just so I think that's that's that'd be my answer.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Wow, that's a that's good, just taking the time to slow down and because they are only 11, 8, and 6 for one year. Yeah, right, like it and it goes fast. Oh, it goes fast. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

And this is that intentionality piece you spoke about, Lisa, that that we have to we have to be intentional about it or the world will and everything in it, the thorns of it will all crowd over the joy that we could experience, right?

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Yeah. Oh, well, Justin, I want to thank you for joining us for this time. It has been a pleasure to meet you, uh, hear a little bit more about you and hear about your book. I'm gonna look it up for our group as well. But yeah, like I'm excited for it.

How To Connect And Closing Thoughts

SPEAKER_00 28:20

Um, so this ends our podcast. If anyone wants to find you, find your book, what is the best way to sort of connect with you?

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Yeah, you know what? Um, the book is on Amazon, and so just significance over success on Amazon, or if you type in my name, I guess you would find me as an author. And in order to connect with me, that probably the easiest way is just to on LinkedIn to find me on LinkedIn and send a uh a message, or you might be able to just grab my email off the prairie hockey website as well.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

All right. Well, I caught you on LinkedIn, so it's that easy.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

That's right. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

All right. Well, thank you, Justin, for joining us.

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Yeah, you're welcome.

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